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		<title>Why The Republic of Lakota is a Philosophical Failure</title>
		<link>http://livingprimitively.com/2008/01/why-the-republic-of-lakota-is-a-philosophical-faliure/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I posted this on the Republic of Lakota&#8217;s forums. It is also an explaination on why nomadic hunter gatherer societies are infinitely stable and the people living in them free of control by authorities. &#8221; Hi I have been thinking a lot about this and while I think the idea of you reclaiming your freedom [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this on the Republic of Lakota&#8217;s forums. It is also an explaination on why nomadic hunter gatherer societies are infinitely stable and the people living in them free of control by authorities.</p>
<p>&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi</p>
<p>I have been thinking a lot about this and while I think the idea of you reclaiming your freedom is great, it is impossible. I&#8217;ll explain why.</p>
<p>In the hunter gatherer societies around the world, people enjoy almost total freedom. Because of shifting seasons and varying resource bases, people have to split up, often down to family units. They come together from time to time. Some people may decide to band together for a while because of advantages in search of food.</p>
<p>Because of this, any person that wants to gain power over others is restrained from doing so of the simple reason of the impossibility of retaining control over a dynamic group.</p>
<p>On the other hand, in an agricultural or sedentary society, a potential power hungry person can (and in time somebody will) try to control the other people. Because they all live in fixed locations, that is fairly easily achieved. After some time, laws restraining freedom becomes second nature and thought of as normal. People start accepting that some people have power over other people and owns large territories for their personal sprawl and profits.</p>
<p>Dynasties will come and go, but as long as you rely on a sedentary location, some people will use other people for their own good. It has happened to almost (I say that because I can not be 100% sure) every single sedentary society on earth.</p>
<p>The only opportunity for the Lakotas to ever become free again is to drop the idea of the state, breed buffalo like cracy and release them. Of course this isn&#8217;t going to happen of two reasons:<br />
- The Lakotas can not win a war against the US.<br />
- The people that now believe that they own the lands would shoot the buffalo for fun and profit.</p>
<p>Is it really freedom you want? Or do you just want another state that is going to deteriorate into despotism?</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Torjus Gaaren</p>
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		<title>Of timeless importance</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m sitting here on the bus seeing an article in this woman&#8217;s magazine about someone living and breathing only for an organisation. Now, why is such an involvement sad in my eyes? Because this guy is wasting his life, serving something final. Everyone in their right minds knows that states, organisations and other constructs comes [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sitting here on the bus seeing an article in this woman&#8217;s magazine about someone living and breathing only for an organisation. Now, why is such an involvement sad in my eyes? Because this guy is wasting his life, serving something final. Everyone in their right minds knows that states, organisations and other constructs comes to an end. Nature is something we humans have to deal with and when the short era of fossile fuels is over, the primitive skills, the skills of the past once again will determine life or death for us. Timelessness is thus the reason for my two greatest involvements in life.<br />
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		<title>Lakota Souix Claiming Independence From The US</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First thanks to Survival Acres for his great donation. On his blog I also found this news. I must say I&#8217;m happy for them if it happens, though I think they&#8217;ll either not follow it through or get slaughtered in the attempt. Read more on their site: Lakota Freedom Delegation]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First thanks to <a href="http://survivalacres.com/wordpress">Survival Acres</a> for his great donation. On his blog I also found this news. I must say I&#8217;m happy for them if it happens, though I think they&#8217;ll either not follow it through or get slaughtered in the attempt.</p>
<p>Read more on their site: <a href="http://www.lakotafreedom.com/index.html">Lakota Freedom Delegation</a></p>
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		<title>Fuedalism Alive and Well in Britain</title>
		<link>http://livingprimitively.com/2007/07/fuedalism-alive-and-well-in-britain/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A young friend of mine, named Jon is now being cut off from moving around on the estate where his father works. Their house is surrounded by the estate, so he is now really confined to walking on the roads and their own lawn. He is very much into outdoor life and crafts and is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A young friend of mine, named Jon is now being cut off from moving around on the estate where his father works. Their house is surrounded by the estate, so he is now really confined to walking on the roads and their own lawn. He is very much into outdoor life and crafts and is very responsibly behaving towards the environment. If he or anyone else in his family trespasses his father risk loosing his job.</p>
<p>I try to avoid posting things with political content, but I find this really appaling. I consider it the right of every human to be able to move around in their surroundings.</p>
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		<title>Legalities in regards to primitive living in Norway.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fishing The primitive in Norway seems hardly able to thrive on hunting and trapping (legally that is). Fishing however is another story. If we first have a look away from the legalities, there are literally thousands on thousands of lakes in Norway with way too much fish. It is more than likely that you will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 130%"><span style="font-weight: bold">Fishing</span></span></p>
<p>The primitive in Norway seems hardly able to thrive on hunting and trapping (legally that is). Fishing however is another story. If we first have a look away from the legalities, there are literally thousands on thousands of lakes in Norway with way too much fish. It is more than likely that you will be able to secure rights to use a net or two along all the way of your migration line. <img src='http://livingprimitively.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fishing in the sea is open to everybody, including with nets and long line, as long as it is for non-commersial purposes only. The exception is equipment specifically aimed at catching salmon, sea trout and sea char. Here the landowner has exclusive rights. That does not include hook and line however. There are no fees for fishing in the sea.</p>
<p>In freshwater, nets are for the land owner&#8217;s exclusive use. Where a fishing license is required, you that is the only fee required. The exception is where there are salmon, sea trout or sea char  in the water. There there is an additional fee to the government. Where no fishing licences are sold, fishing is off-limits. However, persons up to 16 years are allowed to fish wherever they like for free, except where there is anadromous fish.</p>
<p>Fishing spears are illegal to use. Very few care though, and I claim my right to do it as everyone has done it where I come from in times immemorial. In fact, I didn&#8217;t know it was illegal until I checked it now! Bowfishing is legal for pike only. I have found no exception for tickeling trout and I therefore consider that to be legal.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all for now. I may not have covered it all. If I discover that I have left something out, I will post it.</p>
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		<title>Legalities in regards to primitive living in Norway.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hunting and trapping Hunting is the more of a dark chapter when it comes to primitive living here in Norway. Hunting with anything except a gunpowder driven gun is illegal. Trapping is slightly better, but the restrictions are numerous. Any trap is illegal unless else is stated. Using a snare is only legal on ptarmigan [...]]]></description>
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<p>Hunting is the more of a dark chapter when it comes to primitive living here in Norway. Hunting with anything except a gunpowder driven gun is illegal.</p>
<p>Trapping is slightly better, but the restrictions are numerous. Any trap is illegal unless else is stated. Using a snare is only legal on ptarmigan and only in some municipals. Deadfalls are legal on pine marten, mink and weasel. For anything else you need modern traps. And all traps have to be marked with ownership (probably so you can be prosecuted when you catch someone&#8217;s dog&#8230;).</p>
<p>And of course, you need the landowner&#8217;s permission to trap. And that can easily be expensive, except if he has virmin he wants to rid himself of. Any hunter/trapper also has to take a test first to be allowed to hunt. The permit lasts for life, but you need to pay a fee to the government each year and you are obliged to report once a year on whatever you have caught.</p>
<p>To sum it up. You are in Norway allowed to catch four species of game with primitive equipment: Ptarmigan, pine marten, mink and weasel.</p>
<p>Next Monday: Fishing</p>
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		<title>Legalities in regards to primitive living in Norway.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gathering things The legalities around gathering wild plants and fungi aren&#8217;t very complicated in Norway. The general rule is that you can pick whatever berries and nuts you want as long as they are wild. The same goes with fungi and herbs. Herbs can be uprooted, but protected species are of course not to be [...]]]></description>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">The legalities around gathering wild plants and fungi aren&#8217;t very complicated in Norway. The general rule is that you can pick whatever berries and nuts you want as long as they are wild. The same goes with fungi and herbs. Herbs can be uprooted, but protected species are of course not to be touched. There are two moderators of this freedom:</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">Nuts can only be gathered in  quantities to be eaten on the spot without permission from the  landowner.</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">In Troms and Finnmark counties  cloudberries are only to be gathered in quantities to be eaten on  the spot without permission from the landowner.</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">Unripe cloudberries are illegal to  pick.</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">In practise, very few gather nuts today. I strongly doubt that anyone will object against you harvesting as much as you like of that resource.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">Cockles, mussels and sea weeds are to my knowledge legal to gather, but I was unable to verify this.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">Rocks, antlers, bone are illegal to gather. It is however commonly accepted that gathering small amounts of such worthless materials, without the permission of the landowner, is legal.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0pt">Next Monday: Hunting</p>
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		<title>Legalities in regards to primitive living in Norway.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Torjus Gaaren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moving about This is a series in my new blog. It will be published every Monday until I don&#8217;t have more to write about. The series is meant to show Norwegians themselves (if someone is reading) that there is an excellent opportunity for this type of living in their own land. Also it is meant [...]]]></description>
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<p>This is a series in my new blog. It will be published every Monday until I don&#8217;t have more to write about. The series is meant to show Norwegians themselves (if someone is reading) that there is an excellent opportunity for this type of living in their own land. Also it is meant to be a guide for primtivists that want to go to Norway to practise their craft.</p>
<p>The first part will deal with the right to move about.</p>
<p>The Norwegian concept of &#8220;Allemannsretten&#8221; is also to be found in Sweden and Finland. To some degree also in Scotland. (Wikipedia).</p>
<p>The law gives you right to:<br />
- Move about in private and public land at your will. Without requiring permission from the owner. Exceptions as mentioned below.<br />
- The same accounts for using horses, although there may be restrictions some places.<br />
- Use a watercraft wherever you like.<br />
- Walk on lakes or rivers covered with ice.<br />
- Bathe whereever you like, in a reasonable distance from occupied houses.<br />
- Camp everywhere, exceptions as mentioned below.</p>
<p>The law doesn not give you right to:<br />
- Walk through fields and other production areas. With fields there is an exception. When there is snow and the ground is frozen. But eitherway, not between 30. April until 14. October.<br />
- Take a nude bath where there are other people close by that seem offended.<br />
- Camp or rest in a field. Regardless if the ground is covered in snow or frozen.<br />
- Camp closer than 150m from occupied houses. But if you are going to make noise, go longer.<br />
- Camp for longer than 2 days in a spot. That only applies to areas close to settlements.<br />
- Leave garbage and cause unneccesary damage.</p>
<p>Fences are normally not legal to put up for the landowner. You supposed to be able to move around freely.</p>
<p>Most of these rules can be bypassed if you have permission from the owner. It is commonly accepted that it you can gather dry firewood and break fresh branches for sitting on. Small birches are also generally accepted that are cut. They are often considered a weed and the land owner will be happy for you to clear them out a little.</p>
<p>Campfires are not to be lit between 15. May and 15. September. Personally I refuse to follow this rule as it complicates primitive living too much, but if the ground is dry I am particulary carful of where I build my fire.</p>
<p>Next Monday: Gathering plants, materials (stone, antler etc&#8230;) and fungi.</p>
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